Every Friday, I present a topic or question for our merry band of thinkers, leaders, and pirates to discuss in an open thread. Here is this week’s conversation starter:
Advancing facial recognition technologies are helping to stop criminals like child abusers and violent extremists. But they are also increasingly collecting “faceprints” in public spaces and being used for marketing and other commercial applications.
Question: What is a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to facial recognition deployment in public spaces? And what, if any, constraints should be put on this technology?
As city, county, state & feds pull back on laws/enforcement for theft, vandalism, trespass etc individuals, groups & businesses will use facial recognition to restrict access to their property due to the vacuum left by government who have abdicated their constitutional responsibility to protect the innocent & now protect the criminal.
Constraining private collection of facial recognition is okay however if it is being used for marketing or commercial applications everyone is an opt out unless the collector or user has an opt in from the citizen.
We have mug shots done for drivers license, passports and concealed carry so uncle has been collecting our mug shots for years. Not sure it’s possible to avoid.
There are security cameras everywhere, how can you tell if being used for recognition? Looks to me like it’s a train going full speed ahead with no railroad crossing stops.
If “Facial recognition technology is here to stay,” what’s to prevent enterprising programmers from creating algorithms to scrub my face, your face, anybody’s face from all the places? Charge $1 or less. Make billions...
This seems like shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out. Is there much that can be done about it at this point. Certainly intel agencies will use the data any way they want, regardless of anything that might be done about it.
Cancel culture carried out by those who do not know or understand history shows us no one's life or characteristics appreciated by contemporaries can outlive the orientation of those who rose up who "knew not Joseph." Exodus 1:8 As processing time for change shortens because life moves fast as Ferris Beuller says, you might be a hero at 20 and a despot at 30 not because you changed but because society changed. My point is, they can hunt you down faster and faster with facial recognition with the intent of eliminating you. // I've also heard if you are driving down the highway and you look at a large sign, the sign detects it's you and supplies a specialized ad just as you pass. Since pedophilia just became legal in California (so I heard) danger to children could increase at random in your community just because someone drove through. I don't see any good on the horizon for facial recognition.
Facial recognition technology is here to stay. I am concerned with the use of my identity by those who steal it for their profit and my financial loss ( hackers off the Dark Web). I am tired of wasting my money on "virus hack prevention" to be told that I can't stop or remove the information once they have it, while these users of the "Dark Web" run free. This is where equality for all should be applied--if you can scan for me, then you can scan for all.
I know they use a public surveillance system in the UK and it's been helpful in dealing with crime. Limit access and try not to focus on all the "highly improbable yet possible" abuses. We take stuff like driving for granted daily. It's just new and scary, like cars were in a century+ in the past.
There was an article in Epoch Times recently indicating that China’s Face Recognition software, now has the capability to identify people who are wearing the COVID mask. Nearly everything is possible with AI software.
Regarding “privacy” and Face Recognition technology, it is fast becoming ubiquitous in AmeriKa, and we do need to be concerned.
Through use of the Internet and Social Media websites, we have no privacy as we are well aware. Big Tech is building data bases on each individual, not just online, but also via your financial transactions as evidenced in part by the amount of data the credit reporting agencies keep on each of us such as Experian et al.
Considering the aforementioned, and advances in Drone and face recognition technology, we are essentially striped bare naked for all to see...those who are willing to pay to see. Is this not a firm if slavery?
The problem with relying on facial recognition is the same problem with automated finger print recognition magnified. Using fingerprint recognition is difficult because rain, dust, cuts, bruises, etc. tend to give you false negatives. Disrupting a facial recognition system is so easy it will be a long, long time before it’s a useful resource for serious security.
Expectation of privacy for facial recognition is much like an expectation for freedom from second hand smoke was a long time ago. In that case I'm surprised that commercial pressure to provide smoke-free environments didn't act sooner and more strongly, but now we're mostly free. Facial recognition and the things it enables won't necessarily carry with it health risks but it will be annoying. We'll likely first learn to live with it, complain, and ultimately the political process or commercial pressure will give us some level of relief from the annoyance. I hope it's the free-market process that does this, but generally folks seem not to recognize the power they have to use their $$s to influence events around them; they're probably too distracted by other priorities to think this way.
As city, county, state & feds pull back on laws/enforcement for theft, vandalism, trespass etc individuals, groups & businesses will use facial recognition to restrict access to their property due to the vacuum left by government who have abdicated their constitutional responsibility to protect the innocent & now protect the criminal.
Constraining private collection of facial recognition is okay however if it is being used for marketing or commercial applications everyone is an opt out unless the collector or user has an opt in from the citizen.
We have mug shots done for drivers license, passports and concealed carry so uncle has been collecting our mug shots for years. Not sure it’s possible to avoid.
There are security cameras everywhere, how can you tell if being used for recognition? Looks to me like it’s a train going full speed ahead with no railroad crossing stops.
Anything, no matter how well intentioned, will be corrupted.
If “Facial recognition technology is here to stay,” what’s to prevent enterprising programmers from creating algorithms to scrub my face, your face, anybody’s face from all the places? Charge $1 or less. Make billions...
This seems like shutting the barn door after the horse has gotten out. Is there much that can be done about it at this point. Certainly intel agencies will use the data any way they want, regardless of anything that might be done about it.
Cancel culture carried out by those who do not know or understand history shows us no one's life or characteristics appreciated by contemporaries can outlive the orientation of those who rose up who "knew not Joseph." Exodus 1:8 As processing time for change shortens because life moves fast as Ferris Beuller says, you might be a hero at 20 and a despot at 30 not because you changed but because society changed. My point is, they can hunt you down faster and faster with facial recognition with the intent of eliminating you. // I've also heard if you are driving down the highway and you look at a large sign, the sign detects it's you and supplies a specialized ad just as you pass. Since pedophilia just became legal in California (so I heard) danger to children could increase at random in your community just because someone drove through. I don't see any good on the horizon for facial recognition.
“Faceprints” acquired in public spaces should never be sold or transferred to non-government entities.
Facial recognition technology is here to stay. I am concerned with the use of my identity by those who steal it for their profit and my financial loss ( hackers off the Dark Web). I am tired of wasting my money on "virus hack prevention" to be told that I can't stop or remove the information once they have it, while these users of the "Dark Web" run free. This is where equality for all should be applied--if you can scan for me, then you can scan for all.
I know they use a public surveillance system in the UK and it's been helpful in dealing with crime. Limit access and try not to focus on all the "highly improbable yet possible" abuses. We take stuff like driving for granted daily. It's just new and scary, like cars were in a century+ in the past.
There was an article in Epoch Times recently indicating that China’s Face Recognition software, now has the capability to identify people who are wearing the COVID mask. Nearly everything is possible with AI software.
Regarding “privacy” and Face Recognition technology, it is fast becoming ubiquitous in AmeriKa, and we do need to be concerned.
Through use of the Internet and Social Media websites, we have no privacy as we are well aware. Big Tech is building data bases on each individual, not just online, but also via your financial transactions as evidenced in part by the amount of data the credit reporting agencies keep on each of us such as Experian et al.
Considering the aforementioned, and advances in Drone and face recognition technology, we are essentially striped bare naked for all to see...those who are willing to pay to see. Is this not a firm if slavery?
The problem with relying on facial recognition is the same problem with automated finger print recognition magnified. Using fingerprint recognition is difficult because rain, dust, cuts, bruises, etc. tend to give you false negatives. Disrupting a facial recognition system is so easy it will be a long, long time before it’s a useful resource for serious security.
Expectation of privacy for facial recognition is much like an expectation for freedom from second hand smoke was a long time ago. In that case I'm surprised that commercial pressure to provide smoke-free environments didn't act sooner and more strongly, but now we're mostly free. Facial recognition and the things it enables won't necessarily carry with it health risks but it will be annoying. We'll likely first learn to live with it, complain, and ultimately the political process or commercial pressure will give us some level of relief from the annoyance. I hope it's the free-market process that does this, but generally folks seem not to recognize the power they have to use their $$s to influence events around them; they're probably too distracted by other priorities to think this way.